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Remote-controlled helicopter powered by A123 Systems batteries
While A123 and its partner Cobasys apply themselves to developing batteries for GM's E-Flex electric hybrids, hobbyists like Gary Goodrum are discovering the promise of of nanotechnology-based batteries, using them in remote control helicopters like this one.

High-flying with A123

Hobbyist are discovering the promise of nano-based lithium ion batteries.


By Gary Goodrum



Open Access Article Originally Published: January 16, 2007

We're not driving electric cars powered by A123 advanced lithium ion batteries... yet, but we are flying them in helicopters; remote-controlled electric helicopters, that is. And if you're curious about how good they are, read on.

I was very happy to read that A123 Systems will be involved in developing a new battery for GM’s Chevy Volt E-Flex program. I became familiar with them because of a side business/hobby that I have, selling and flying remote controlled electric helicopters.

Normally, we use high capacity lithium polymer packs but these are extremely volatile and hugely expensive. The packs required to fly a typical model that has 1.3m rotor disc size and that weighs about 8 pounds typically cost about $450-$500. This "sticker shock" has kept quite a number of people flying gas-powered models from converting over to electric, even though our electric versions can match the durations they get, while providing double the available horsepower. They just can’t see carrying around "a year’s worth of Nitro…" on every flight.

Early last year, in our never-ending quest to bring these poor souls over from the "dark side", a few of us started using the lithium ion cells out of a Milwaukee 28V "v28" tool pack, which could be had for about $85 on eBay. Each pack had seven cells that could be assembled into the form factor we needed for the various models. Although these proved to be a great entry level solution for someone on a budget, the cells themselves were heavy and they didn’t have the current delivery capabilities that the better lithium polymer (LiPo) packs can provide. The LiPo cells we use typically have capacities that vary from about 3.7 to 5.0 Ah, with nominal voltages of 3.7-3.8V. Most setups use packs that have 8-12 of these in series. These are rated by what multiple of their capacity they are capable of delivering continuously. A high-end LiPo cell right now has a "C" rating of 20-25C, which means a 20C 4Ah cell can deliver 80A continuously (4.0 x 20…). In helicopters, we don’t fly with continuous loads but we might hit peaks that are much higher. Most of the latest LiPos can supply about 30C for bursts up to 5 seconds, or so.

Then about six months ago, DeWalt finally released their new line of Lithium-powered tools that are based on a new cell chemistry developed by A123Systems, which is a spin-off of MIT. These new cells have some very unique characteristics that are really nothing short of revolutionary. Using a patented "nanotechnology" process that dramatically reduces the particle size for the lithium material, they come up with a cell that is incredibly robust and completely safe. Because of the small particle size, all of the Lithium gets converted during charging and discharging. What this means is they don’t blow up if you inadvertently overcharge them, something that is definitely an issue with LiPos. I have personally had two cases where faulty chargers cause a pack to explode in a fireball that is pretty spectacular. This has caused us to now only charge these in "battery bunkers". I’ve also over discharged packs in flight and have had models completely destroyed in fiery explosions. These A123 cells just can’t do that, either charging or discharging.

Soon the same eBay dealers that were selling v28 tool packs, started offering these new DeWalt 36V packs. Each pack contains 10 A123-M1 cells. Although these cells are about the same size as the "eMoli" cells in the v28 packs (both have cylindrical cans, 26mm in diameter; the eMoli cells are 70mm in length and the A123-M1s are 65mm long), but the aluminum-cased M1s are quite a bit lighter (70 gm vs 100 gm…). These M1s have some other differences as well. The nominal voltage is lower, at about 3.0V per cell, vs about 3.6V for the eMolis. Capacities are similar (The M1s are 2.3 Ah vs 2.8 Ah for the eMolis…) but the "C" rating for the M1s is off the charts. The eMolis are good for about 10C continuous and no more than about 15C burst. About three years ago that’s where we were with LiPos. The M1s are rated about 30C continuous and a whopping 52C burst. That works out to 70A and 120A, respectively.

Anyway, it took us awhile to optimize our helicopter setups to be able to use these (we have to run more in series to get equivalent voltages that we have with LiPo setups, but these can deliver more current), but now that we have, I think these will "fuel" a new wave of converts. Now we can have setups that don’t cost your first-born, without sacrificing performance, which has been my own personal "holy grail" pursuit. In addition to the cost and safety factors, one other huge benefit we get with these is that with the right charger, these cells can be completely recharged in as little as 5 minutes! In practical terms for us, where most of the high-end chargers we use top out at a 10A charge rate, this means recharge times of 15 minutes, which is still great compared to the hour a LiPo pack needs. Some of the newer LiPos can be charged at a 2C rate (i.e.—a half hour…) but people are finding out this cuts down typical cell life from 150-200 cycles, down to about 50-75 cycles. The A123-M1s are supposedly good for over 1000.

Anyway, I thought you might be interested in our experiences with these remarkable new batteries. I know A123 has been working in the defense world, so I’m sure these will make their way into a number of exotic electric powered UAVs and ground vehicles, but I hadn’t heard until this last week about any forays into the EV domain. If this technology can be "ported" over to the automobile application with anywhere near the level of performance we seen with these in our little world, I predict that we won’t need to wait anywhere near as long as some of the so-called pundits are claiming it will take to develop a battery that will allow GM to bring the Volt and its "cousins" to market.

Gary also runs a part-time business providing hobbyists with battery packs.

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12 comments so far...

15-Jul-2010
90757
   I use A123 batteries in my 15lb battlebots, which require a much more power than an rc plane or helicopter. I use a 3s2p or 4s2p packs from my robots, which each have two 1 hp drive motors and a 4 hp weapon motor. Fight times are less than 3 minutes, so a 30c continuous is necessary and 50-60c peak is needed for accelerating the weapon. Also, the A123's are much safer and more sturdy, as these robots get thrown about quite fiercely. Also, we only get 15 minutes between matches, so recharging at 20 amps is a must. The packs also run really cool, so we don't have to worry about them exploding ( Nicd's have injured participants before ).
Posted by: Mr Pizzaman

18-Jan-2007
45349
   Altairnano is BS. Ask them what their voltage is some time and you will see why they will probably never be used in anything practical. A123 is the real thing, which is why so many real companies are putting their cells into real cars. See Hymotion, Cobasys, etc.
Posted by: Jeff Chan

18-Jan-2007
45358
   ssddeerrrrffffisabty-ity-tty-cty-hty-
Posted by: qwerty ytyyt

20-Jan-2007
45636
   Gotcher did not say what the cathode material is. I googled it too, and no luck.
Posted by: john

19-Jan-2007
45437
   Of the batteries being discussed here, which ones use cobalt, and how much?
Posted by: Menwith M

17-Jan-2007
45269
   Interesting to see that, in the real world, A123 batteries appear to be living up to their promise. For electric vehicles, the cost of A123 remains a problem. And since GM has contracted with Cobasys (who brought in A123) for a better battery, they must not like something about A123's results. Although I suspect that, when it comes down to it, GM will always claim that for some reason or another, the batteries are just not ready yet. More than the batteries, I think GM is just not ready to seriously move to electric cars. Too big a gamble, too little courage.
Posted by: paul peterson

17-Jan-2007
45274
   I think you're right. It's just like when the water is cold, you put your foot in to see if it's ok to enter. GM has brought out the Volt as a PR sign that they are at least in the ball game. A good manuver, but still no action. What is the current Volt concept using that wouldn't allow commercialization? What did they use for the EV1 that they can't use for the Volt? I find it hard to believe that a good battery management system can't be used to mainted 'not good enough yet' batteries.
Posted by: Richard F

17-Jan-2007
45279
   Alair Nanotechnologies NANOSAFE battery is the king of Li battery for EV. Check their Phoenix Motorcars and Alcoa or ElectroEnergy deals. They won the race to a Better battery for EV/PHEV/HEV. If you want to power a Helicopter(a real one) I am sure that can be done too.As a matter of fact the US Army is jointly developing with Alti a Power Station that can be mounted on a ship. Alti is also providing AZ state with Battery power support to their Solar system being developed.Their is more....... but enough for now.
Posted by: EV Yr

17-Jan-2007
45292
   Nice to see someone believes in Altair enough to hype it in so many threads at EVWorld. One problem, though, is that Altair seems to have no patent protection. If its batteries are as good as they say they are, look for Altair to be overwhelmed by the competition, like Toshiba, who does have some fundamental patent applications in this area. None of which are going to charge $75,000 for a battery pack. A123 does not have that problem, and so is a much better bet (though still very risky) for investors.
Posted by: paul peterson

20-Jan-2007
45597
   Nick F.... read Breakthrough 2007 in which Altairnano's Alan Gotcher describes his company's battery technology in some detail.
Posted by: Bill Moore

19-Jan-2007
45480
   "Of the batteries being discussed here, which ones use cobalt, and how much?"

I'm not sure what altair uses for its cathode. They say they've replaced the graphite in the anode with a titanium salt.

a123 uses a phosphate cathode and thus no cobalt.
Posted by: Nick F


18-Jan-2007
45323
   If succesfully investing in small-cap technology companies were as simple as making sure they had a good product and good patent protection, we would all be rich. Enough said on that topic.
Posted by: Randall S

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