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Electric Cars Are the Key to Energy Independence

A long-time ethanol advocate sees the value of electric cars


By David Morris



Open Access Article Originally Published: August 04, 2008

Al Gore's heroic speech challenging us to make our electrical system 100 percent renewable promised it would simultaneously address three major crises: the weak economy, catastrophic climate change and the dire national security problems inherent in our dependence on imported oil.

He got two out of three right. A crash renewable electricity initiative would provide an immediate boost to our economy and could slow climate change, since electricity accounts for about a third of our overall greenhouse gas emissions.

But it would do little to enhance our national security.

Oil generates only 3 percent of our electricity. Therefore a 100 percent renewable electricity system does little to reduce our oil dependency -- unless that electricity is used to substitute for oil in our transportation system.

Al Gore knows this. In other venues he has mentioned electrified vehicles. But he needs to make electrifying our transportation the central element in his 10-year plan, for at least two reasons.

One is that it is an initiative that would prove far more compelling to the vast majority of Americans. Climate change is abstract, and the strategies to resolve it are remote. Our relationship to our vehicles, on the other hand, is both concrete and visceral. We desperately want to get off oil, especially when gasoline prices rise to $4 per gallon.

But it is more than a pocketbook issue for many of us; it is a moral issue. Americans hate being dependent for our mobility, and therefore for our livelihoods, on countries often hostile to our way of life. Electric cars promise to end that dependency.

And as a bonus, with rooftop solar cells, we can become independent not only from OPEC but from remote and often unresponsive utility companies. We can become energy producers as well as energy consumers.

And then there is the plain fact that once significant numbers of electric vehicles are on the roads, word of mouth will be a powerful marketing tool. The reason? As Marc Geller, a longtime advocate of electric vehicles, told me a year ago as we were traveling up Route 1 in Northern California in his all-electric small SUV, "Anyone who drives an electric car falls in love with an electric car." That love affair will be aided and abetted by a population eager to embrace a homegrown fuel and vehicles that offer quicker propulsion, a quiet drive and zero tailpipe emissions.

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04-Aug-2008
63068
   Energy Independence is not a good goal and has next to nothing to do with national security. We should focus on the goals of reducing pollution, maintaining mobility when petroleum prodcution eventually declines and newer better car technology which to me is electric drive.
Posted by: jw ogden

04-Aug-2008
63070
   The author is indeed correct that electrification of transport is a much easier, faster and cheaper way to solve the Reliance on Oil Imports from Politically Volatile Regions, to reduce GHG emissions and reduce Economy Destroying Foreign Exchange losses as well as the 10’s of thousands of Smog related deaths, including thousands of children every year. It is a glaring omission of the Gore program.

Another glaring omission is his utter silence on battery technology. Gore claims Solar and Wind fit together like ‘’a hand and glove’’. This is incorrect. What does fit together, is batteries and Solar & Wind, both of which require backup power. You would think Gore would call for a Marshall Plan to rapidly expand battery production, and kick Chevron’s Butt, ordering them to release the NiMH battery patent. Solar and Wind have been severely debilitated over the past 10 years because of Chevron’s blockade of the large format NiMH batteries. They could be mass produced right now, with the same scale as Solar PV modules are. Seems like Gore either lacks knowledge of Solar, Wind and Transportation technology or he is not interested in realistic solutions, just fantasy solutions, like his & Pickens Mega-Solar, Mega-Wind idea. Fantasy solutions just ensure that the status quo will remain.

We are already seeing battery shortages, and consequent price rises just due to the rising demand for Storage Batteries, E-Bikes, HEV’s, and the few BEV’s being developed. In 1998 the chairman of ECD claimed in 1998 that they expected to be able to produce NiMH in automotive volumes for $130 per kwh, we need that now, real bad. An area where subsidies and political arm twisting could have a huge and immediately beneficial effect on reducing GHG emissions and foreign Oil Imports.

As for the huge Solar and Wind subsidies we are seeing instead, they make no sense and are counter productive. These huge subsidies are simply forcing prices up and screwing the homeowner who wants to put Solar PV on their home. Do these politicians have any knowledge of economics whatsoever, Gore – ever here of the Law of Supply and Demand? The optimal subsidy level is just sufficient to ensure demand is increasing only marginally faster than supply. We have the absolute absurdity of Germany stealing half the World’s PV production because of its enormous 78 cents per kwh subsidy for Solar. A complete waste. Germany is a bad choice for Solar PV, with only 1000 to 1300 kwh per pk kw per year, vs some poor country like Bangladesh with 1900-2200 kwh per pk kw, which desperately could use the solar panels, as they can’t afford Diesel Power ( 35 cents per kwh) and aren’t high tech enough for Nuclear, and lack a power grid. Double the solar insolation, one half the GHG emissions, for the same cost. High Tech Germany should stick to Nuclear and let homeowners, who want to be energy independent and low-tech developing nations have most of the Solar PV. I like how the latest Scientific American claims Solar PV is at $1.90 to $2.10 per pk watt. Yeah where? I want to buy some at that price, where can I buy them Mr. Steve Ashley? Commercial PV wholesalers are getting so cocky because of the huge subsidies, they are DEMANDING that retailers sell them at a minimum of $10 per pk watt. If the government has subsidy money to waste, it would be much smarter to spend it on R&D for ways to improve Solar PV efficiency, and for technologies that could produce high volumes at much lower costs. See:

UC Berkeley Prof calls Solar a Loser Economically, and recommends Money Spent on R&D for better Technology Instead

We are even seeing the politicians make the Solar PV subsidies, so that only large Commercial Installers (with Lobbyist’s buying political favor) get the them, while homeowners who have the best locations for the Solar PV, are getting Zip. Home Solar, as well as providing emergency power and peace-of-mind for citizens, are closest to the actual consumers of the electricity, thus no expensive five fold oversized transmission lines and associated losses, possibilities of home battery banks or home EV batteries, efficient and cheap Solar PV direct to BEV for green transportation, no high installation costs as many homeowners will install the panels themselves, especially the simple-to-install EV charging Panels. That’s where the subsidies should be, not big commercial installations.


Posted by: Warren Heath


04-Aug-2008
63076
   Achieving energy independence is a good goal because it is one that is easily understood. Improved air quality could also be a result of this mission, if well executed. Clean, non global warming electricity production from harnessing the tremendous power in high altitude winds could provide all the additional electricity needed with very good economics to support of the use of plug in electric cars.

Berkeley professor Severin Borenstein makes a good point that more investment is needed to improve solar technology. More investment in the technology to improve plug in electric cars is also needed.
Posted by: Paula Shepard


05-Aug-2008
63091
   I just have one question for proponents of vehicle to grid solutions. How do you get home after work? You charge your car at night at home then drive to work and plug in, the grid draws from your battery to supplement demand. Now you get off work at the end of the demand on the grid but How do you drive home when your battery is dead? Greg
Posted by: Greg Martin

05-Aug-2008
63094
   The author clearly does not understand national security nor the climate. The "2 out of 3" that Gore had correct are the economy and national security. 6% of our GDP is now being flushed down the toilet on imported oil, a non-durable product. This deficit causes both inflation and devaluation of our dollar, making it harder for the average citizen to get by each year. Our national debt and trade deficit are the two greatest threats to our immediate economy. We have PLENTY of energy, and there is no reason in the world why we should have to "make do with less." Along the Rocky Mountains there are enough places to build geothermal power plants which produce clean electricity for less than half the cost of coal-fired plants to power this nation for over 10,000 years - and that ignores wind, solar, tidal, and other sources. The challenge is in getting the energy from WHEN and WHERE it is generated to WHEN and WHERE it is needed. These twin problems WILL be solved with one of the technologies already proven in the lab; the only issue is how long it will take to scale up production. As for National Security - We are never secure when our economic interests can be held hostage to hostile countries, as OPEC has threatened in the past. As any barely competent Sales person can tell you, if you do not have the option of walking away from the table then your negotiating power is nil. As our Global Power recedes, so does the strength of our Dollar - and so further erodes our lifestyle. This alone is cause enough to become energy independent once again. As for the Global Warmista nutcases, all I can say is that the dialog is meaningless as long as you cannot answer the most elemental question: "What is the ideal temperature of the Earth?" When George Bush has an energy-neutral modest home and the nutcases all fly to Global Warming summits in their private jets, that tells me all I need to know about the issue. I am all for reducing pollution and using renewable sources of energy, but running around like Chicken Little trying to scare people is stupid and counter-productive.
Posted by: Bill Reister

05-Aug-2008
63101
   Bill, Look at the photos of the polar icecaps over the last 75 years and the icecore evidence of what the global temperatures should be and honestly think about your misguided statements.Oh,and just becuase Bush and his cronies have raided the Federal Reserve does not make him any better than Al Gore.As a matter of fact American historians,and for that matter,the rest of the world considers him to be the alltime worst president in history.
Posted by: John Hurt

05-Aug-2008
63103
   Thousands of reputable climate scientists now agree that the planet is heating up and that manmade greenhouse gases are the cause. The planet will adjust to this change probably with less animal life. The Earth does not care if humans become extinct because of their stupidity and carelessness. The carrier pigeons, dinosaurs, etc. have disappeared. It will go on with or without us.
Posted by: John Boyd

06-Aug-2008
63134
   Accusing Al Gore of being a hypocrit will not make the problem of global warming go away. He may be a hypocrit but if it were not for his passion for solving this problem, we may well go beyond the point of no solution if we have not already done so.
Posted by: John Boyd

06-Aug-2008
63135
   A few points to Ponder:

Total Energy consumption in the USA, 2006 = 99.5 quads

Population of the USA, 2006 = 303 million

Total Energy consumed per family of four, in USA, 2006 = 392 Mwh

Average Power consumption per family of four, in USA, 2006 = 44.8 Kw

Note, this includes all the energy inputs we take for granted, like those that go into the food we eat, the roads we drive on, the buildings we live in and the energy to produce our cars and wind turbines.

So at 20 cents per kwh, the average cost of energy per family of four in the USA, would be $79,000 per year.

In Canada it would be higher, @ 60 kw per family of four, that would be $106,000 per year.

That is not sustainable. We can’t afford that. Our civilizations have been built upon cheap concentrated energy, stored over eons in Oil, Coal and Natural Gas. Cost of these energy sources have been in the range of 1 to 3 cents per kwh.

I think it is reasonable to say that if we don’t find energy sources that cost a maximum 5 cents per kwh, or $20,000 per year for a family of four, our civilization will collapse. The much touted alternatives, including the Gore and Pickens Solar & Wind specials, are not even close to 5 cents a kwh. They are a complete waste of money. So far only two possibilities exist, that can provide civilizations energy needs for the next 100 years, at feasible cost, that is Nuclear and Coal. And that’s not Clean Coal – no way you’re going to do that for 5 cents a kwh – that’s plain, old dirty Coal, maybe burned in higher efficiency power plants, like 40% rather than 32% efficiency. What is left is Nuclear, both fusion and fission, and that’s not an easy-as-falling-off-a-log solution. It’s going to take hard work, a lot of hard work.

Good Citizens WAKEUP! I’m talking WAR here, this is WORLD WAR THREE, and its happening right now, the WORLD GLOBAL ENERGY WAR. You’ve heard of Mega-Death, well in this case, if we loose this War, its going to be GIGA-DEATH. Whether the children born today will live or die, will depend upon the actions taken by industry and politicians here and now, and so far they are doing nothing but taking a bad situation and making it worse.

I can’t see Wind – installed – with power distribution – and sufficient backup power – ever getting even close to that 5 cent a kwh limit. Cut all subsidies, cut all funding on that, we can’t afford to throw precious, life-giving resources on a NON-SOLUTION.

Solar, the only possibility I see there, is advanced nanotechnology or biotechnology being able to develop means of producing Solar Modules with levelized power production cost, including any backup power and capital cost, installation, distribution & maintenance, within that 5 cent a kwh cost. So cut all funding, cut all subsidies for present Solar Installations, instead invest heavily in R&D to developing the most promising technologies.

Really, Nuclear is the only significant hope. We need cheap nuclear, and whatever we have to do to achieve it, WE HAVE TO DO THAT. If it means cutting through Red Tape with a machete, then WE GOT TO DO THAT. If it means accepting small risks, of minor leaks of contaminated, radioactive water, then WE GOT TO DO THAT. Bill Hannahan describes an excellent way to weed out the best methods of funding nuclear power development:

‘‘…We should increase R&D to $90 billion per year (only 2.25 cents/kWh) and push every technology as hard as possible. That would include building at least one full scale commercial size plant of every promising technology. Actual performance data would give companies and individuals confidence to make large scale investments rapidly in new and proven technology. …’’

Right now, Nuclear is still the cheapest of new Power systems, at 7.4 to 8.8 cents per kwh, levelized cost. With Nuclear Power Plants having a lifespan of 60-80 years, and Capital Cost paid in 15-20 years, the further 40-60 years of their lifespan will be well under the 5 cent a kwh limit, probably less than 2 cents a kwh. Also, especially with the smaller modular reactors, like the Hyperion, NuScale, Fuji Molten Salt reactor and the GenIV gas-cooled high temperature reactors, they can directly supply high grade heat, for industrial process, or building heat, or CHP as it’s called, which would lower actual energy cost to < 5 cents for kwh, even for new plants. These Nuclear Power plants need to be built as-fast-as possible, and the newer designs need to be built and tested with a mindset of DIRE URGENCY. The defunct supply chain for nuclear components needs to be rebuilt, with considerable redundancy, again with the highest priority. None of this is being done right now, and that means a Big Friggin Storm is coming and I hope all of you out there are prepared, to face the consequences. See:

Present Costs of Nuclear, Coal and NG power plants compared

A good example of what can be done, but is not being done, is the Bussard Inertial Electrostatic Fusion Reactor. This is a device of extraordinary potential. This is the Epitome of what we need in an energy supply, if it works, at a levelized cost within that 5 cents per kwh barrier. So meanwhile Congress has not funded the research, it has proceeded at a snails pace with bargain basement hardware, working with a shoestring Navy budget. Even proponents talk about wrangling $20 million funding to build a prototype, 100 MW net energy output reactor. NO! This is how you do it, during a time of War. Ten teams working in parallel, unlimited budget, each pursuing a different angle, 24 hrs a day 7 days a week, a $100 million prize to the first team to achieve 100 MW net output.

A good example of what is being done, but shouldn’t be done is the Corn Ethanol boondoggle. The actual subsidy for energy negative, mega-CO2 releasing Corn Ethanol is a staggering $5.2 billion per year (Patzek) According to a leaked, secret World Bank report, Biofuels have pushed World Food Prices up 75%, causing food riots and mass starvation. Add to this, is the fact that ‘‘…Corn production in the U.S. erodes soil about 12 times faster than the soil can be reformed, and irrigating corn mines groundwater 25 percent faster than the natural recharge rate of ground water. The environmental system in which corn is being produced is being rapidly degraded…’’ (Pimentel). Clearly, A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY. See:

Alice Friedemann: Why Cellulosic ethanol and other Biofuels are Not Sustainable and a Threat to America's National Security - Part I


Posted by: Warren Heath


06-Aug-2008
63137
   Regarding Nuclear Power... the previous poster is mis-informed. Installed Nuclear costs MORE than installed wind per MW produced. That is a fact. Nuclear fuel is limited, expensive (and increasing rapidly), and expensive to transport and store when used up. Wind is free. Wind maintenance is low... bearings, blades, basic maintenance. The only advantage of nuclear is you can put it anywhere, and wind must be installed in windy places (obviously). If you factor in all the costs of nuclear, including construction, insurance, cleanup, storage, security issues, etc. it is WAY more expensive than wind. Wind is dirt cheap, low tech. It has a high initial cost and extremely low ongoing costs. Wind farms are not terrorist targets. Need I say more? How much is that worth? A lot! Coal... same issue. Industry never includes the FULL cost, including pollution, envirnomental damage, medical damage (to people, miners, etc). It is not cheap in overall costs, but those are always conveniently left out of the equation. Regarding Steve Barry's attack on Al Gore. If you are going to accuse someone of lying, how about some examples. Your post includes ZERO factual information. You just state that Al Gore lied in his movie. About what? Did you even watch 'An Inconvenient Truth'? I doubt it! If you did, you'd have seen that he makes very few conclusion. He merely collects a lot of non-disputed facts and puts them all in one place. So plese detail these "lies". I'm sure you can look them up on your oil company shill database.
Posted by: Kurt Vonne

07-Aug-2008
63143
   To Mr Vonne above, where would you like me to start? My post included ZERO factual information simply because this web site isn't a debating chamber for climate change! Incidentally, you put 'lies' in quotation marks, but that is not to be found in my text. I used "untruths". You deliberately added an emotive word as though I had used it. As you may, or may not know, a British court found nine factual errors in Mr Gore's movie. Christopher Monckton counted 35. I'm certainly not going to do the leg work for you, so I suggest you google "Al Gore's Movie Mistakes". No doubt they will include everything from the closing of the Thames Barrier to the snows of Kilimanjaro. So much for your "non-disputed facts"! Also, to suggest I am in the pay of an oil company is puerile. I had already stated that I am looking forward to an electric car, and why would I be on this site if I were not interested in EVs? As for wind power, well that's another myth. First of all, it isn't consistent - no wind, no power. Here in the UK, they are only popular because of government grants. Their efficiency isn't economic unless sited extremely well. For consistency and safety we can only look to geothermal (only in certain areas), or hope for a breakthrough in photo-voltaics. Globally, the car makes very little contribution to carbon dioxide emissions. Hence I see no point in linking a EV web site with climate change. As I said, I'm passionate about EVs, but find the idea that we are responsible for warming devoid of any evidence whatsoever. Currently we are in a period of global cooling which climate models did not predict. The key points that would prove CO2-induced warming aren't there; being a tropospheric hotspot and continued stratospheric cooling. There is no hotspot, and stratospheric cooling stopped in 1993. Let's keep the fraudulent idea of warming out of the idea of EVs.
Posted by: Steve Berry

07-Aug-2008
63144
   Mr Vonne, would you like to see Mr Al Gore's new 100ft Fantasy Yacht? http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/gore-hits-the-waves-with-a-massive-new-houseboat/ Or what about his fleet of cars - which are left with their engines running to keep the air con on? http://www.americansforprosperity.org/index.php?id=6072
Posted by: Steve Berry

07-Aug-2008
63147
   Another Democrat - Obama - is even worse than Gore. He states that we will be totally oil independent if we would only inflate our tires and get a tuneup! He has no energy plan. The fact is that Gore lied to use so much that Europe loved it and even rubbed our noses in it by giving him a Nobel. People closest to Gore, know him best, his home state voted for Bush! To be fair, let us not expect anything from Obama either. The only way we win and get a significant number of EVs on the road is to pressure the government. The carmakers don't care. Do you really want to pay $38K for a loaded PRIUS?
Posted by: William Sewell

08-Aug-2008
63177
   Kenneth. Natural gas is expensive here - even for domestic purposes. It's just gone up by 35% in one day! So to convert it to LNG, then tax it, and sell it as transport fuel, would be prohibitive, I think. LPG, on the other hand, is half the price of petrol. There's little talk here of electric buses. That's good news about the Chinese. It will almost certainly have a knock-on effect on the price of lithium-ion batteries. The more made, the cheaper they should get. Only thing is, I've heard that the price of lithium may rocket! Oh dear.
Posted by: Steve Berry

08-Aug-2008
63182
   Lithium is up front now and SQM Chile has a lot of it. EEstor Texas battery Co. is worth looking at as it has a contract with Lockheed and supplies Zenn electric car Co.in Canada. When I asked this company about lithium they preferred EEstor and have investment position.When the founders and CEO s of Intel and Federal Express both favor electric and hybrids soon for short commutes we must be on the right track Steve !
Posted by: Kenneth Roy

08-Aug-2008
63184
   What is all the Al Gore bashing about?Is this the McCain Campaign blog?This reminds me of the spotted owl blame game.When most of the lumber mill workers were forced out of work by the lumber companies that invested heavily in junk bonds and had to bypass the mills and ship their logs directly onto a Japanese mill ships.The spotted owl was blamed for the mill workers demise,even though it had nothing to do with logging and more to do about being a scapegoat. This is what people blogging here are doing,making Al Gore the spotted owl.The point is that the polar caps are melting at a rapid pace because of man-made pollution. And Warren Heath,no amount of nuclear power quatrains can dispute the facts that nuclear power is too expensive and centralizes the electrical distribution,when we need more varied alternative and decentralized electrical energy systems.Also remember that the insurance is the most expensive type you can't buy.The government forces the tax-paying citizens to insure the nuclear power plants and protects the the companies running them from lawsuits.What a scam!
Posted by: John Hurt

08-Aug-2008
63188
   Kenneth. An 'ultracapacitor-based energy-storage system' investment might be best! The very idea sounds fantastic.
Posted by: Steve Berry

08-Aug-2008
63190
   John, I like Obama, I just hope he’s playing the political game, and really has a solid, realistic energy plan, hidden away. The Gore Plan is absolute nutso. And it’s a true killer, to us EV fans. Gore claims we must address 1) GHG emissions 2) reliance on Foreign Energy 3) Economy Destroying Foreign Exchange Losses due to Energy Inputs.

Well Gore’s plan only addresses #1, badly at that, and worsens both #2 and #3. To accomplish all three goals, by far and away, the simplest and fastest way is improvements in the Transportation sector. Including better public transit, reduced speed limits, enforced telecommuting, demanding automakers install and retrofit vehicles with high efficiency engines, greatly increased CAFÉ fuel economy standards, and most of all electrification of transport. That is going to require a lot of material – a lot of batteries, factory production and construction, power semiconductors, copper, steel, aluminum – and also skilled labor – all of which will be almost totally absorbed by Gore’s Mega Wind / Mega Solar project, which will use so much Oil, Coal and NG based materials that it won’t help #1 for 20 years at least, but it sure as hell will screw all of us EV advocates. There won’t be enough resources left for any large scale EV effort.

Congress could also give incentives to convert existing vehicles to Electric Drive, but that will use a lot of batteries and motors and power electronics, all of which will be sucked dry by Gore’s Wacky scheme.

I’m utterly astounded by the incredible stupidity of the Gore Plan. It actually sounds like a deliberate bait and switch program to force us to continue to be dependant on rapidly declining Oil and NG, especially from the Volatile Middle East. U.S. Power Generation is almost entirely domestic Coal, Nuclear and NG. Changing to Wind and Solar will greatly increase Foreign Exchange losses – not reduce them, it will greatly increase foreign Oil and NG imports, not reduce them. Where do you think all of the Solar Panels are made?

As for the cost of Nuclear, there is no significant insurance cost. I already proved to you in my previous posting that Nuclear is SEVERAL TIMES cheaper than Wind, and that will improve with time. Talk about your potential '’ insurance’’ cost of a one-in-100-billion chance Nuclear meltdown, how about the free ride you guys give Coal for the Millions of Tons of radioactive waste it releases into the atmosphere and into giant landfills every year, how about the cities flooded by rising oceans – is Coal & Oil going to pay for that? Who’s paying for the 30,000+ Americans, including thousands of children who are killed each year by Coal emissions? How about the $1.6 trillion Iraq Oil War – are heavily subsidized Oil Companies going to pay for that? Or the massive imports of Middle East LNG, to fuel backup NG power plants, for Gore’s Wind Turbines. Who’s going to pay for the Billions of Dollars in Damages and Millions of Lost Lives when LNG storage tanks, ships and pipelines explode like Nuclear Bombs (which a Nuclear Power Plant is absolutely incapable of doing)?

John, you need to think things out a bit, the path you are advocating, is one of death and destruction. You are committing children to a future of misery and suffering.


Posted by: Warren Heath


09-Aug-2008
63197
   John. As I have explained, the 'ice caps' are not melting, and it is simply incorrect to state that - despite what you may of read on a questionable web site. You say, "Look at the evidence", but that's not what you're doing John. Photos only go back a few decades (and incidentally the Arctic 'melted' in 1922 as well), and ice core data shows atmospheric conditions like oxygen and carbon dioxide levels, not temperature direct. Neither are methane deposits being released. That's a fear drummed up if the permafrost were to melt. As it didn't during the last interglacial period (period between ice ages, which we're in now) when it was warmer than it is now, then why would it melt this time? It's nonsensical. If you want to believe all you've been told about 'global warming' then nothing I can say is going to alay your fears. However, I strongly advise you to read both sides to get an accurate picture. To be honest, I fear you have paid to much attention to the Greens, who profiteer from alarmism. Global warming is currently on a stable period - there has been no warming for eight years now. Even scientists who are 'pro-warming' are now admitting that we may not get any warming for at least another decade. However, some are predicting global cooling. By mid September, the height of the Antarctic sea ice extent will almost certainly see a new record. Perhaps only then you'll understand that the ice caps are not "melting". Far from it! If you would like web links to sites giving you both sides of the story then I would be happy to provide them. Just reply here.
Posted by: Steve Berry

09-Aug-2008
63200
   Steve. Unfortunately to my knowledge EEstor is a private Co. and not yet listed on any exchange. Zenn holds an interest,has an exclusive on batteries and is listed. With so many electric and hybrids coming out we can only bet or wait to see who comes out on top! One million E bikes sold in China this year and cars in production.
Posted by: Kenneth Roy

10-Aug-2008
63222
   John. I've already explained that to insinuate that I am somehow connected with the oil industry just because I don't believe the hype that you have swallowed is very silly. I could reply that you MUST be a member of Greenpeace, since you believe in global warming. It would be equally silly. Try to comprehend that some of us have studied the science (you haven't, otherwise you'd know that you can't 'drill' at the Arctic as it's floating ice!) and we have arrived at a different conclusion. And neither have there been any drilling of the ocean beds either in connection with climate change - further evidence that you haven't read any science at all, obviously. You also say "refute the evidence". What evidence? This is the point of climate sceptics, there is no evidence! We know that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, and we know how infra red radiation works. But that's it! There is no evidence that carbon dioxide has resulted in any observed warming. That's a fact John. If there was evidence then there wouldn't be any sceptics, because the science would be able to prove it - this is the central point of the argument around climate change. There are two points on how carbon dioxide would reveal itself to be resulting in warming. One is a so-called 'hotspot' in the troposphere, and one is continued stratospheric cooling. Needless to say, the 'hotspot' isn't there and the stratosphere hasn't cooled since 1993. All this is well known John (except to you) and is freely available on the net, should you wish to look it up. I'm disappointed that you have come to a conclusion based on quite obvious ignorance - for which there is no excuse. You can explore "lack of a troposphere hotspot" anytime through Google.
Posted by: Steve Berry

10-Aug-2008
63223
   It has become rather irrelevant, whether Global Warming is as severe as the Experts in the Field contend. The most pressing issues at the moment, are 1) the extreme vulnerability of Western Economies to Energy Supplies from unstable regions and 2) the extreme drain on our Economies of the Foreign Exchange losses of foreign energy supplies. Concerning #1, the next Middle East War, is likely to cause lineups at fuel stations, and probable rationing of gasoline, and that could easily be this November or December if Israel attacks Iran. We are also seeing Russia, another unreliable major Energy Exporter, starting to through its military weight around, with its invasion of Georgia. And rapidly developing nations like China and India, are not going to reduce their growing thirst for Oil and NG, just because we want to maintain our out-of-proportion share.

Add to these problems, you have the financing of Middle East Terrorism and Iran’s Nuclear Weapons program with our Oil Purchases. You have high energy costs causing great hardship, i.e. food price increases, job losses. Futile efforts at replacement Agrofuels, have pushed Food Prices up 75% and made the growing Water Shortage & Topsoil Losses problems much worse. You have coming (if not already here) Peak Oil & Peak NG. Coal energy could alleviate #1 & #2, but that would be temporary, and more expensive then switching to an Electrified Transportation System anyways, which we will have to do sooner or later. Why wait, and waste a bunch of money on smog aggravating Coal-to-liquids? Just look at the Olympics and see what a Killer Smog Infested Nightmare China has turned into, due to its reliance on Coal. And Nuclear Power Plants are already cheaper than Dirty Coal power plants, and that cost advantage will improve with time, see:

Comparative cost of Modern Power Plants, Nuclear, Coal and Natural Gas, in the United States

In addition, there is the billions of tons of toxic waste released by Coal power plants. As Brian Wang documents:

‘‘…Coal kills an estimated 30,000 people per year in the U.S. due to the extreme pollutants released, and costs $160 billion in health care. …’’

‘‘…A 500 megawatt coal plant burns 1,430,000 tons of coal, uses 2.2 billion gallons of water and 146,000 tons of limestone, each year …’’

‘‘…A 500 MW coal plant each year puts out : …’’

‘‘…10,000 tons of sulfur dioxide. Sulfur dioxide (SOx) is the main cause of acid rain, which damages forests, lakes and buildings. …’’

‘‘…10,200 tons of nitrogen oxide. Nitrogen oxide (NOx) is a major cause of smog, and also a cause of acid rain. …’’

‘‘…500 tons of small particles which are a health hazard, causing lung damage. …’’

‘‘…125,000 tons of ash and 193,000 tons of sludge from the smokestack scrubber. …’’

‘‘…225 pounds of arsenic, 114 pounds of lead, 4 pounds of cadmium, and many other toxic heavy metals …’’

‘‘…2 tons of Uranium and 6 tons of Thorium …’’

Comparative cost of Modern Power Plants, Nuclear, Coal and Natural Gas, in the United States

Deadly, Killer Coal, There is no way to make this Crap a Viable Energy Source

We simply can’t wait, we’ve run out of time, Global Warming or not, we need to start converting all of our energy sources over to Nuclear ( fission at first, then fusion), and what Hydro we have. It’s the only way our civilization will survive, because only Nuclear is a sustainable, clean energy source with an Energy cost less than the critical 5 cents per kwh threshold.


Posted by: Warren Heath


07-Aug-2008
63153
   Here in England there's been a big push for diesel in the past year or so. That's created a lot of smelly towns and cities. EVs can't come soon enough for me for that reason alone. Diesel prices rocketed more than petrol. Our petrol is costing around £1.14 a litre, which is about £5.18 a gallon ($10), and the Americans moan about their rising cost of fuel! Just be thankful you don't have our taxes. The big oil firms are making a killing out of us Brits, and the government is taking the p*ss too. Like I said, there are lots of us here just praying for EVs. We cannot believe the small amount you pay to purchase cars in the US. Take the new beefy Dodge Challenger for an example. We understand it's £20,000 in the States, but it's going to be £50,000 ($97,000) here in England!
Posted by: Steve Berry

07-Aug-2008
63161
   Yes there are, Kenneth. At least a thousand electric cars are operating in London at present - most of them G-Wiz vehicles. You don't want to have a crash in one! Unfortunately, the City of London Council has just axed the free parking scheme for EVs as it was too successful! They actually complained that it was encouraging people to drive electric cars. I kid you not. The Council would prefer commuters used public transport - that's diesel buses etc.
Posted by: Steve Berry

07-Aug-2008
63170
  

‘‘…Installed Nuclear costs MORE than installed wind per MW produced. That is a fact…’’

The most thorough, up-to-date, accurate document on New Nuclear Costs, that I already linked in the previous article, gives the total capital costs, including infrastructure of $4,351 to $6,378 per kWe. The first Westinghouse APC1000’s, installed in China, are coming in at $2,000 kWe, and after production ramps up and supply issues are resolved costs are expected to drop to near $1,000 per kWe. The worst case N-Plants installed in the 70’s, in the U.S. came in at $4,000 per kWe, in 2007 dollars. Since I am talking long term energy supply, in the post fossil-fuel world, a large portion of energy needs will be high-grade heat. Unlike Wind Turbines, nuclear can supply high-grade heat as well as electrical energy, called CHP. The heat then becomes essentially free, so that cuts are true nuclear power plant cost in half, to a max of $3,500 per kW(e+th). Operating & Maintenance costs of current U.S. Nuclear Power Plants, of ancient, inferior design are 1.78 cents per kwh electrical, again that will be cut in half, to about 0.9 cents per kwh, if CHP is used, as will be used when cheap fossil fuels are no longer available or are forbidden to use.

In the case of wind, Pickens huge order of 667 G.E. 1.5 MW wind turbines was $3 million each, or $2,000 per pk kw. Average Capacity factor for Wind Turbines in the U.S. is 27%, and that will fall as the best sites are used up and the Power Grid is unable to absorb Wind Peak Power, so that works out to $7410 per kWe, reduced by 8% to compare to Nuclear, with a 92% capacity factor, that’s $6817 pe kWe. That does not include transport, installation, road construction, quadruple oversized, long range power transmission, land acquisition, right-of-ways for transmission lines, and environmental studies. Transmission lines, themselves run about $1 million per km. Those added costs easily push Wind Turbines Capital Cost into the $11,000 to $15,000 per kWe range. Add to this you need backup power of at least 90% of peak capacity, and that adds another $1,200 per kWe, using NG powered (the cheapest). As for operating & Maintenance costs, you have to do routine maintenance, there is always breakdowns of gearboxes, generators, switchgear, electronics & instrumentation etc. Add to that almost equal capacity NG plant which must be kept ‘’Spinning’’, and you must add NG fuel costs that are wasted by running the NG plants at their lowest efficiency. In addition to the full maintenance costs of the NG plant, the Wind Turbines, unlike normal power plants, you have to do field service, at great difficulty, including bringing in a large crane for large component replacements. Add to that you have to pay for land royalties, road maintenance, a huge transmission line maintenance area, storm damages, power line right-of-way royalties. It is certain that total operating & maintenance costs will be much higher than Nuclear, probably at least double. Add to that, the projected life of the Wind turbines is only 30 years vs 60 to 80 yrs for the Nuclear Plants.

Industrial Wind Power Installations, including their quadruple oversized power transmission infrastructure, use 15 to 40 times the material, steel, concrete, aluminum & copper per delivered kWe, of the Nuclear Power facility. And you can double that again, with a CHP Nuclear Power plant. Here’s the REAL KILLER for WIND POWER (and present day Solar for that matter). The Wind Turbines rely upon cheap fossil fuels, to fuel the industry that supplies the materials to make the Wind Turbines and their infrastructure. They don’t use Wind Power to build Wind Turbines, they use Oil, Coal and NG. When the cost of those fossil fuels doubles & triples and more in price, and when Climate change forces us away from fossil fuels, Wind Turbine prices will SKYROCKET. Try triple or quadruple the cost. And if you can’t produce Wind Energy for 5 cents a kwh, it’s no use wasting one penny on it, it’s a dead end, and there isn’t a chance in hell that wind will be able to produce power for 5 cents a kwh, when the fossil fuel crunch hits us. There are no other options – it’s dirty Coal or Nuclear – Pick One.

‘‘…Wind farms are not terrorist targets. Need I say more? How much is that worth?…’’

Nuclear power plants would be about the hardest and stupidest terrorist target you could think of. Virtually ZERO probability of causing significant damage, certain to be caught, Mega-Expensive to even plan it. Wind & Mega-Solar is an excellent terrorist target. Haven’t you read the Gore Fantasy Plan. A huge power transmission backbone to transfer Solar from the South and Wind from the East etc. An easy-as-pie terrorist target. Al Qaeda – please do not read the following: just take a few pounds of explosives, plant them on a couple DC high voltage trunk lines, somewhere way out in the bush at night, put them on a one week timer, fly back to Pakistan, and in the comfort of your cave, watch the entire US power grid go down on Live TV, how much fun would that be? Another 100 times easier and more effective target would be the huge Middle East source, LNG floating bombs (vastly more energy release than a N-Plant is capable of), that will be needed to complement your intermittent Wind Turbines. Hijack one of those, and tow it into New York harbor, let that baby blow, good bye New York.

‘‘…Nuclear fuel is limited, expensive (and increasing rapidly), and expensive to transport and store when used up …’’

That’s three for three of absolute nonsense. Why do you make stupid statement like that?

Bill Hannahan explains that one away better than I can:

‘‘…If all our electricity was made with coal, a years supply of coal (14,200 lb) cost $218 in 2005 and is much higher now and climbing. A year's supply of natural gas (115,000 cubic feet) cost $850 in 2005. …’’

‘‘…To make all U.S. electricity with current reactor designs, we only need 0.72 pounds / year / person. …’’

‘‘…For uranium to match the price of coal or natural gas, using current reactor technology, the uranium price would be $303 or $1,180 dollars per pound respectively. …’’

‘‘…Using breeder reactors we need 0.35 pounds / 80 year lifetime. …’’

‘‘…For uranium to match the price of coal or natural gas using breeder reactors, the uranium price would be $51,500 or $194,000 dollars per pound respectively. …’’

‘‘…The average American paid $1,100 for electricity in 2005. Uranium cost is a small fraction of what we pay for nuclear electricity, about 0.2 cents per kWh. Uranium price spikes have little effect on our bill. …’’

‘‘…These numbers come from this paper …’’

‘‘…http://www.nuclearcoal.com/ENERGY%20REV%20X1.pdf …’’

‘‘…based on calculations and references from this spreadsheet. …’’

‘‘…http://www.nuclearcoal.com/ENERGY%20CALCS%20REV%207.xls …’’

‘‘…My thanks to Jim Holm for hosting my paper on his site. …’’

‘‘…http://www.nuclearcoal.com/ …’’

‘‘…Reports in the 1970's estimated the cost of extracting uranium from sea water at $1,500 to $2,000 per pound. R&D has reduced that to about $200 per pound, of uranium. …’’

‘‘…http://npc.sarov.ru/english/digest/132004/appendix8.html …’’

‘‘…http://www.taka.jaea.go.jp/eimr_div/j637/theme3%20sea_e.h ... …’’

‘‘…http://jolisfukyu.tokai-sc.jaea.go.jp/fukyu/mirai-en/2006 ... …’’

‘‘…The oceans contain 4.6 billion tons of uranium, half of which is sufficient to support 10 billion people at the U.S. level for 400 years using first generation reactors and over 30,000 years with breeders. In reality the oceans are continuously supplied with uranium by the erosion of land, so the uranium supply is effectively unlimited. …’’

‘‘…We do not need breeders for a long time but we should move forward with breeder R&D to reduce mining and waste volumes.

‘‘…Why are there no sea water uranium extraction plants? …’’

‘‘…Historically price has been under $60 / pound with a few big spikes. …’’

‘‘…http://www.uxc.com/review/uxc_g_hist-price.html …’’

‘‘…http://www.uxc.com/review/uxc_g_2yr-price.html …’’

‘‘…U3O8 is 85% uranium by weight. …’’

‘‘…Would you bet your life savings on uranium staying above $200 / lb? I don't think so, and neither do professional investors, however if sea water technology keeps improving the cost may drop enough to make it happen sooner than most people think. …’’

‘‘…Sea water uranium is very important because it puts a cap of $200/pound on the maximum sustainable cost of uranium for thousands of years. …’’

‘‘…Sea water uranium does not have to supply all of our uranium in order to cap the uranium price at $200/pound. It only has to replace the percentage of land based uranium sources that cost more than $200/pound, and that percentage is zero for the foreseeable future. …’’


Posted by: Warren Heath


07-Aug-2008
63173
   Yes Steve there are approx. 1000 electric cars in London and I am surprised to hear that they have been 'curbed" shall we say? Bringing back polluting diesel is a great idee ??? While living in Phoenix,Az. in the mid 90's there were few buses and when they appeared they were also diesel why not LNG natural gas? Always a puzzle on how things occur.However, you may have heard Chinese Gov. stated they will make MILLIONS of electric cars in their country.As to uranium I have long investment in that! France is 80 % now.
Posted by: Kenneth Roy

08-Aug-2008
63187
   John. Sorry, it wasn't an Al Gore bash as such, and being a Brit, I've no interest in either political party. It was just a comment that I didn't want to see this web site and any promotion of EVs linked to someone like Mr Al Gore. Unfortunately, EVs are alreday heavily linked with climate change. That's a shame. As for the science you mention, I'm afraid you're not correct, if I may. The icecaps most certainly aren't melting John. And carbon dioxide isn't a pollutant either, it's an essential gas. The Arctic experienced a low ice extent last year. This year's is higher. For a few decades the Arctic has been experiencing increased Summer melt. The most likely explanation is wind change, not the warming effects of carbon dioxide. As for the Antarctic, last year saw a record amount of ice extent (you never heard that on the news!). Supply ships were locked in ice. This year the record could be broken again. Antarctica has been cooling for at least 22 years, maybe as long as 50. The cooling is very small. The only part of it that has warmed is the Peninsula. It makes up just 4% of Antarctica, but this is what you are fed by the news channels and pro-warming web sites. they would rather you hear about 4% that is warming, rather than 96% which isn't. Says it all really.
Posted by: Steve Berry

08-Aug-2008
63195
   The caps are melting.Look at the evidence.Compare the photos of the past and read the ice core data.These are facts and not the Bush Cook Book of Moranic Global Cooling.The tundra is melting and giving off lethal amounts of methane which is more damaging than carbon dioxide.The coastal areas in the cold regions of the northern hemisphere could release deeply buried methane gas at any given time and change the climate in a matter of months.It has happened before.It is displacing Eskimo tribes from their homes.They are the Canaries in the mine ,so to speak and are pointing to the global warming which we people do not experience like the native peoples.
Posted by: John Hurt

10-Aug-2008
63217
   Steve Berry,I read the scientific data facts, not what the greens or your agenda wants us all to believe.The core drilling of the ocean beds and the polar icecores have been ongoing for many years and reveal the true facts.You would have to be employed by the oil companies to refute the evidence at hand.This is my last comment on this,so make your spin now while your employers are still reading this blog!
Posted by: John Hurt

20-Oct-2008
64500
   I have read in energy saving tips that electric cars are very good. People will not use gas for driving. also it will help the environment.
Posted by: Karen Martinez

11-Aug-2008
63249
   Steve, maybe we should be more worried about the Russian Scumbag Imperialists, than Iran & Israel. After their invasion of Georgia, and obvious attempts to overthrow the Democratically Elected Government of Georgia. And this brings to mind another slimy, scumbag, by the name of Mr. Gerhard Mr. ‘’ No Nukes – Instead I’ll bow down and kiss Russian Ass ‘’ Schroeder. This Fossil Fuel Creepoid, decided to shut down German Nuclear Power plants, then went on to join the Supervisory Board of the Russian Gas Giant, Gazprom. A few comments on that obvious patronage position:

Schroeder Renounces German Green Nuclear Power, substitute = Fossil Fuels

Gerhard Schroeder rewards Gazprom while in office

Gazprom rewards Gerhard Schroeder after out of office

Bait and Switch: German Nuclear Phase Out, Renewables, Coal and Carbon Dioxide.

Germany to Build 26 Huge, Dirty Brown Coal Burning Power Plants instead of expanding Nuclear Power, after the Failure of their Wind & Solar Energy Effort

A Directory of Posts that Link Anti-Nuclear Interests with Fossil Fuel Interests


Posted by: Warren Heath


12-Aug-2008
63253
   I know, it's worrying for us here in the UK! That BTC oil pipeline that goes through Georgia carries 1 million barrels a day. There's a worry here that Russia will bomb the pipeline (there are reports they tried on Saturday). If they bombed it at the water aquifer at Borjorni National Park then they would pull off a double, as Borjorni water is a major Georgian export. It's buried of course, but there are weak points. Russia would of course be playing with fire if they went for this Western jugular, but Putin may be crazy enough.
Posted by: Steve Berry

06-Aug-2008
63128
   Sorry, I really enjoy reading this site and, despite being a petrolhead, look forward to electric cars. Indeed, I'll be one of the first to own a mainstream one when they are available here in the UK. However, I cannot understand why you put any store in any comments by Mr Al Gore. First of all, his energy consumption on his home (I understand he has more than one) is over 14 times mine. Secondly, his movie is a joke - and full of inaccuracies. I do not see how carbon dioxide is resulting in warming as there is no evidence for it, and maybe that's why I cannot abide Mr Al Gore. His hypocrisy and his use of untruths to pad-out his movie did it for me. I'd be much happier with this web site if it didn't refer to people like him. Heroic speech? Oh I think not. Great site, by the way. Keep up the good work. Here in England, there's talk this week of electric cars on our roads in numbers by 2010 - and that talk is direct from the manufacturers. And I think Lotus has a few unpublicised plans to reveal yet!
Posted by: Steve Berry

07-Aug-2008
63154
   Great article. I reside in the province of Manitoba,Canada and await the approval of electric cars;each province makes it's own decision. This is the second year I have travelled by electric scooter and the savings are high.At present most electric cars that are affordable by most are restricted to city travel,short commutes.Future will give us highway cars.As I WAIT I hope all others enjoy these economical and non polluting cars of the future;there are many such in action in London,England right now!
Posted by: Kenneth Roy

11-Aug-2008
63225
   Warren. I'm inclined to agree to almost all your points. I too, have been arguing that Israel will attack Iran, which will cause massive repurcussions. If Iran retaliates then we could have a mid-east war, the likes of which the vast majority of Westerners are completely ignorant of. Indeed, we (the West) should have an independent supply of energy right now. I'm uneasy about nuclear, I must admit. I would prefer an array of 'alternative' solutions, as no single source like wind, is consistent. Long term, I would prefer geothermal. Iceland has done it, but then it's easy there!
Posted by: Steve Berry

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